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Meta calls to me!

I wish I had enough time to finish writing up some Meta things tonight because agh, authorial intent! It is haunting me. Thankfully I got through Reichenbach without any meta-level issues, but I still have some lingering from ASiB, and somehow Andrew Hussie is massively stepping into it in regards to race on Tumblr tonight and this makes an excellent counterpoint to the gender and sexuality issues Moffat has been poking at in some of his writing recently. I must get some sitting-still time in the near future! I need to pose endless open-ended questions about how much we should take authorial intent into account! And whether we should hold authors responsible for failings we only detect (or, more accurately, feel we can confirm beyond usual suspicions) in context of their extra-narrative actions! Ugh! (Actually, now that I've started this maybe it'll happen in the comments and I can just participate?)

(Incidentally, for those of you who were involved in one of my previous meta rambles on race, Hussie's attempting to defend the same "readers can be held accountable for the racism they read into a story/default-to-white-bias is not the author's responsibility to dispel" points I've tried defending before (with limited success). And I'm feeling residual embarrassment for how haughty that argument sounds in retrospect. Still really fascinating, though, especially in regards to a story that's so heavily reliant on archetypes. And I really want to corner Hussie in a bar somewhere or something and talk to him about this stuff beyond the somewhat condescending tone he always takes when talking to his fandom at large. Because this is an actual issue that he's poking at here, and it's got me intrigued.)

But, since I don't really have time for anything in depth, here's something entirely irrelevant. I've done a post-mortem on my deceased lock, just so everyone can have a friendly reminder to always have a spare key.


10th Feb, 2012 02:41 (UTC)
Re: Kind-of update spoiler
Okay, that update was really kind of weird, in that it covered... exactly what we were talking about. (THIS IS WHY I CAN NEVER WRITE FIC FOR HOMESTUCK, GREAT MERCIFUL CRAP HUSSIE STOP TREADING ON MY META.) Also, I kind of want to write fic about the kids as a troll would write it. That would be all kinds of awesome (if I could pull it off).

Also UU-fanart is adorable.

Also also: Dirk Strider, Destroyer of Souls.
10th Feb, 2012 03:11 (UTC)
Re: Kind-of update spoiler
I KNOW, RIGHT. Okay, Hussie, admit it; you've been reading evilhippo's journal. There is no use in hiding anymore because we can see you through the window. We can tell it's you by the madness of your giggles.

Reading the update was bizarre on every level, really. First, for the reason you mentioned. Second, in that there was an unusually large amount of exposition. Third - you know how sometimes you have a brief out-of-body experience in which you feel like you're watching yourself say or do something, because it's just such an integral part of your nature that you wouldn't be able to control it if you wanted to? It was like I was watching myself react to every line of the update exactly like I knew I was supposed to.

I checked out his tumblr because I thought he might have sourced the art there, and he did! I hope we get to see more UU fanart. And eventually some UU fic, although I hardly dare hope.

Destroyer of Souls. I have so many conflicting feelings right now.
10th Feb, 2012 04:47 (UTC)
Re: Kind-of update spoiler
I'm kind of unnerved by the way the story keeps going along the same path my brain was already wandering down. I'm so used to being way off base. But I think this has more to do with my brain growing accustomed to/being absorbed into Hussie's style than anything else. (-; But yeah... I definitely felt like I knew exactly where I was being led, but could do nothing to stop it (because I didn't mind being led there). In conclusion we're all doomed.

It's kind of odd that we're getting so much exposition right now, but I'm thinking Hussie is just drawing things out until they enter on the 14th (or shortly beforehand--I'm pretty convinced that Dirk's Overtures will go down on Valentine's Day).

I'm thinking we probably will get some trollfic, but possibly not from UU? I get the sense there is an entire troll fandom for the alpha kids, and the brain-breaking meta that could come from that just seems like the sort of thing that'd be irresistible next time the story comes to a point where lots of filler needs to be put in while other things fall into place (like the Ancestor Diversion). Hey Hussie, while you're lurking over there in the window I'd like to officially offer my services as a source for trolls-writing-Alpha-kids fanfic. I'm even moderately experienced in sounding British.

It's unnerving because it fits my theories. I don't think I want it to fit my theories. Also I have these sad thoughts of Dirk accidentally destroying souls the way Equius destroys bows. But then I also have amused/evil thoughts of him becoming a cartoonishly villainous sorcerer.

Oh, right, and also what are your thoughts on what I can only assume is the intervention of Void powers in the Beta session, given that's the apparent reason for a blackout in the Alpha session? Some sort of cross-session Roxy intervention? Some sort of weird Equius intervention hitherto unexplored? Alternate-troll session intervention? Up to this point I'd written Rose's Trollian blackout as having to do with the horrorterrors and the broodfester throes, but its link to Void now seems more probable, if less easily explicable.
15th Feb, 2012 05:54 (UTC)
I think it's very likely that Rose's blackout was caused by someone's Void powers (assuming that's what it is in the Alpha), but I'm less curious about the who than about the why. There's a reason the trolls couldn't be allowed to see Rose while she was grimdark, and I want to know what it is. Especially since it was apparently so important that somebody had to use their powers transuniversally. And if it was inadvertent, the how is also relevant to my interests.

Alternatively, Rose is a red herring and it was Mom all along who was causing the blackout. Rose went grimdark soon after learning of Mom's death through the crystal ball, and then she went straight to Skaia, where the body was, and died there herself. Then the blackout apparently stayed on Skaia instead of following Rose to Derse, because Karkat couldn't see John until he left for LOHAC but knew that his attempt to revive Rose had been successful - although that doesn't explain why Kanaya couldn't see her at that point...? At any rate, the area surrounding Mom seems to remain blacked out.

I would totally not be surprised if there were an Alpha kid fandom! Remember in Past Karkat: Wake up when Nepeta asked Terezi who her favorite human was and talked about them like...uh...we talk about trolls? Same deal. In that vein, remember how during the Doc Scratch interlude, AH referred to his story as "Ancestor fanfiction"? I know some people have argued that this means we shouldn't necessarily assume that the story of the Sufferer was entirely factual. What if we were to see something in the comic that later turned out to be Alpha kid fanfic written by trolls? Like for April Fool's or something? And I totally vote that you should write it.

Okay, as little as I want Dirk to be evil, I am completely charmed by the idea of him and Equius (because they will totally meet at some point, and I don't mind telling you that I already ship the hell out of them; their feelings for each other are sure to be STRONG) causing inadvertent destruction together throughout the Furthest Ring. "Whoops, there goes another soul." "Oh no, I just popped a dream bubble." Wait a minute, maybe that's why the Horrorterrors are calling for help.

Hey, did you notice that Jane totally agrees with you about Roxy's spelling?

(P.S. Happy Valentine's Day to you! ♥♥)
18th Feb, 2012 04:14 (UTC)
Oh, you know what... I think you're probably on to something with Mom being the source of the Void power intervention. I definitely think there was something more at play as far as the Guardians being in the beta session, and the idea that their destined hero powers might also be in play... I'm actually not sure what that would mean yet, but I could definitely see it being a Thing. Given the importance of death for god tier ascension, I wouldn't be surprised if it's necessary for alpha/beta versions of the same player to be dead in order for the powers to be in play at all (preventing cross-universe overlap). I think it would (in a way) explain the void-out, provided timey-wimey-spacey-wacey shenanigans would line Roxy's first use of her powers up with her beta-self's death. It might also neatly explain why all the Beta kids' would-be-Guardian selves are dead/mysteriously missing and presumed dead by the time the alpha kids are ready to enter the game.

(I think it was mentioned that the Trolls couldn't ever see the kids' dream selves, so it's probably not weird that Kanaya lost track of Rose after she became her dream self. I'd actually forgotten that the blackout was localized. Man, so many things I overlook...)

I had forgotten about Nepeta asking about favorite humans... though I'll admit that I never really thought of that as fannish, since the portrayal of the Trolls' relationship to the beta kids was always skewed toward creator/creation (at least at first). I felt like it was more like the way we watch and assign personalities to fish in a tank or something. (-; Which probably says something weird about the differences in and similarities between how creators and their creations and fans and their fandoms relate. This is a thought I intend to come back to after I've had a chance to go back and reread some things.

Dirk and Equius would be so awesome together. Actually, it'd probably be a total trainwreck because I don't imagine Dirk would be onboard with the whole obsession with social strata and roles, but they could probably break work through that.

This is doubtlessly exactly why the Horrorterrors are crying out for help.

And aaaah, that flash! (Why is every flash with Dirk so excellent?) I'm actually pretty sure now that Dirk is just calm and calculating enough that he's not going to tip over the edge into cartoonishly evil sorcerer. There's a part of me that's worried about all the badassery that he's displayed so far, though. That sort of thing always makes me feel like a big fall is in store, but so much is already wonky with their session that it's probably just necessary for them not to be creamed automatically (I mean, in theory somewhere there's an Alpha Doc Scratch grooming everyone).

I totally felt validated when Jane pointed out Roxy's five-times-wonking. It's ironic glassware and water all the way down, most certainly! (-; (I love that Roxy's writing style is basically designed for Rose to pick apart with Freudian psychology.)